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« on: November 08, 2010, 09:55:52 AM »

I want to make a statement, and I may contradict myself, but this is how I feel on this subject.

I am pro pirating. I have pirated my fair share of software, some of it that costs a bundle outright. I have downloaded music, movies, and TV shows. I have downloaded image manipulation software and program building software... but I refuse to pirate Android apps.

Call me strange, but I see it like this: Adobe is making millions of dollars. Musicians are making millions of dollars. Paramount is making millions of dollars. How many Android app developers are making millions of dollars?

If I find a paid app that I want, I buy it. I have probably invested as much money in paid apps as I paid for my phone, and you know what? I don't mind.

There was a paid app that I wanted (Lock Bot Pro, to be specific), but I was having a problem with making the purchase on my phone, so I looked online to see if I could buy it from their website, and I was directed to a bit torrent site. I had my mouse on the download button, but I didn't click it. I didn't want to.

I have many friends in the Android app dev world, and I felt that if I stole an app from the internet, I would be stealing from my friends, and I am not cool with that.

Call me a wet rag, call me a thief, but don't ever call me unthoughtful or a bad friend.

Just sayin'...
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 10:15:32 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 01:33:55 PM »

I am not trying to judge or start a war but Im against pirating of any type. Anyone who sells merchandise and is having it pirated will in the long run start charging more for their merchandise which in turn costs people who buy it to pay more.

Think of it as you running a business and you are failry priced with good customer support and somehow your merchandise starts being taken little by little. Now you have less income, bills need to still be paid, employess need to be paid and your own take home is affected, possibly causing issues to raise and care for your family. So now you raise prices a little, then a little more and maybe a little more. Now you lose customers little by little because your prices are going up. Soon business is being hurt.

Now music and movies do make alot of money but if more and more people follow little by little it grows. What about the beginner musician or movie maker who cant get financial backing because costs rise and profits get smaller and the companies don't want to take a finacial risk.

And one more issue, say your friend or friends don't want to pirate either so they go to the store and see that the item they want is now $5, $10 more and it now costs more to do somethings they used to do frequesntly. Now they start picking and chosing what to buy and do. So in reality you are helping to cause friends some grief.

I know these are kind of streched and far out but they are true. Just stating my 2 cents
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 01:52:38 PM »

Understood, and that was sort of another point of this post. I am interested to hear other people's insight on the issue of pirating.

I can understand your point, and I respect it. The fact that prices go up whether an item is stolen from the internet or from a physical store is very true, but those companies do not see things from a consumer's standpoint. People rip them off because the mark up from cost of production is ridiculous... but they need to mark up the cost because people steal. It is a catch 22.

Some people are completely 100% against it, and some people are all for it. I feel irritated when I hear people tell me I am a thief and a criminal because I downloaded Photoshop or something, and they have an entire movie collection on their PC that they got from Piratebay and an MP3 player full of music from Limewire.

Don't get me wrong, by no means do I pirate everything I can get my hands on. For example, I have bought Microsoft Office on two separate occasions for two separate computers... I paid hundreds of dollars to a multi billion dollar company that probably makes a 200% mark up profit from their products.

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 03:38:19 PM »

I totally see your point as well. It is a catch 22 for consumers. Again, just my opinion and no ill will meant. As for people with the movies on PC. I know a few that say one thing and have done another. I honestly have to say that 99% of time if I do get a song, album or movie from online its usually one I really want and as soon as I get the cash, I buy the actual item.

I know its done from time to time and for people that really have good intentions but are in a situation that restricts them from getting it the normal way I can understand. If you think about how many time i or my friends copied cassette tapes for each other back in the day, I guess im a pirate...

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 03:25:48 AM »

Now music and movies do make alot of money but if more and more people follow little by little it grows. What about the beginner musician or movie maker who cant get financial backing because costs rise and profits get smaller and the companies don't want to take a finacial risk.

I will typically pirate any music I want. When you buy an album, something like 75-95% of that money will end up in a record company's coffers rather than the artists hands. For smaller, less-known bands on independent labels, this is less true.

Furthermore, when I pirate music, it doesn't signal that I would have purchased the album/song anyways. If it's a band/musician/MC[I'm a huge hip hop head] that I really like and really respect, I'll end up supporting in a number of ways. The first is going to a performance/show/concert, which is one of the few ways that fans can directly support artists. Secondly, if I go to a show, I'll end up with (non-music) merchandise if I have the money, be it a t-shirt, a sticker, anything. Third, if the merch table has music for sale, a lot of musicians these days offer vinyl records at the merch table, often having a free download code inside. I'll buy the vinyl because I feel like it's a lasting physical form of the music, though my turntable stopped working a while ago. Also, the music on sale at a merchandise table has been bought from the label/distributor by the artist and so the money is going directly to the artist.

Mostly, though, when I pirate something, I'd most likely not have bought the album regardless. I'm a fickle shopper.

With movies, I'm never too sure about that. I've only bought a handful of movies in my life (my favorite movies, obviously). I don't think I'd buy movies anyway because I don't watch as much television/as many movies as most people do.

with software, if there's an opensource version, I'll get that. If not, I feel like I'm not taking away from sales when I pirate an expensive program (because I wouldn't have purchased it anyways)

Where I typically REFUSE to pirate is with books, except overly expensive textbooks. major textbook publishing companies and campus bookstores make a huge net profit off each textbook sold; a $300 text for physics gives the publisher of that at least HALF of the money returned in net profit while the mark up for the book at the store will mostly end up in the pocket of whatever business owner the university contracted to run a barnes and noble (or what have you) on campus.
HOWEVER, I will usually check for an affordable, used textbook first.

With literature, if it's REALLY old (and therefore in the public domain), i'll print it myself unless it's huge like Ana Karenina or too recent to be in the public domain. In that case, I'll go to a LOCALLY-OWNED bookstore and usually try to cop a used edition for cheap (and support a local business rather than a corrupt multinational, also avoiding benefits to a huge publishing house). If it's a contemporary writer, i'll try to get it new because then that writer will actually make money off of it (though publishing companies still take a sizable portion of that money like record companies do).

Sorry for the rant about pirating, i'm WIRED on some espressos and taking a mental break from a long final paper. Sanity's hard to come by at times like this  Huh?   Cheesy
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